Rocking Through Success and Setbacks with Yosi Amram

Tim Melanson: [00:00:00] Hello, and welcome to today’s episode of the Work at Home Rockstar podcast. Excited for today’s episode. We are talking to a psychologist and a CEO leadership coach, and what he does is he helps people find and actualize their purpose and calling, doing work they love to do or good at, and well contributing to and connecting with others.

So I’m excited to be rocking out today with Yosi Amram. Hey Yosi. Ready to rock.

Yosi Amram: I am. Let’s rock and roll, Tim.

Tim Melanson: That’s rock and roll. We always start off here on a good note. So tell me a story of success that we can be inspired by.

Yosi Amram: Wow. Story of success. Uh, well, I mean, you know, I’ve, I’ve had the good fortune of, of starting and building two companies. That, uh, I have taken public and, you know, that’s certainly been super gratifying building organization and, and people that are aligned around the shared mission and purpose. My first company was the first company to do personal newspapers before the internet.

So you would get, [00:01:00] uh, Tim’s morning news on your fax machine and you would tell our software agents, uh, what. Articles are relevant or not. So it, it had self-learning, you know, and, uh, it would hone in on, on your interest. And this was before the internet. And then I had, Jo, we moved and changed our business model.

To the internet when, when that came and became a huge threat, and I managed to take that company public and in a second company public. So, um, that, that, that was super gratifying. And the people from these companies have stayed together. We’ve had reunions. They, there’s a real sense of community that got built because we all shared the same vision.

Values. And so there was a, a sense of belonging and excitement to be working together, you know, so it wasn’t without its challenges. And you’ll ask me probably about my, some of my darker moments, which also I had, [00:02:00] but those, those are some exciting, successful things. And since then I’ve pivoted my work to a whole different thing where I’m doing.

Coaching and psychotherapy and I had to start over. And, uh, my practice these days is full and, uh, you know, um, so that’s been very gratifying to start a second career in a whole new different line of business and basically have my referral network and whatever, or give me more business than I can handle.

So that, that’s been fun.

Tim Melanson: Wow. Wow. That, that’s really cool. Like it, I love this first story about the about, because you know something like the internet coming on board and all of a sudden it kind of threatening your business and you’re able to kind of like pivot and move it away from there. Because I feel like we’re kind of in another situation like that right now with ai.

Right. Or there’s probably a lot of businesses that are going like, uh oh, the way I do business is gonna have to change. Right, right.

Yosi Amram: It was [00:03:00] super tricky how to do that because you know, you know you gotta move in this direction. But we had this revenue stream based on, on a subscription basis, on facts, and then on the internet it was clear it was all gonna be ad supported and, and free. So if you start offering that, then you cannibalize your core revenue and then we had all these investors and pressure to keep the momentum.

And grow the revenues and pay the payroll and the bills, et cetera. So yeah, that was super challenging and, and I was burnt down. I, I got frozen and scared and, and I went into a depression actually, you know, because I didn’t really know how to navigate that. And I had, you know, hundreds of employees looking up to me to say, well, how are we gonna navigate this?

And I really didn’t have a good answer right off. So I, I just kind of. Went into this, uh, depression, but I, I persisted and we figured out a strategy and, and [00:04:00] turned it around into an internet company and then was able to take it public. Uh, so, uh, that was a, a super, super exciting time. Now that also led to another crash.

So I just wanna highlight that for me, life has been. Full of successes and then setbacks and then, and then this quality of resilience and co getting up again. But you know, when the company went public, and it was the early days of the internet, I was running around like crazy trying to capitalize on all these opportunities, and one day I was getting a deep tissue massage trying to relax and that.

Kinda as I was relaxing, relaxing, went into this deeper and deeper state and dissolved my, my ego and I had a spiritual awakening where I felt like I was part of this one, one field of, of consciousness, and my body and my consciousness, and the one who was experiencing it are all one. [00:05:00] And that’s kind of classical spiritual awakening.

But my mind couldn’t. Contain that notion. So it threw me into a manic episode, and I was trying to run a company while I was kind of in this manic state. So my board freaked out, my team freaked out, and they said, Hey, we’re gonna put you on a voluntary leave of absence. Take 90 days, go chill out, and so on.

And they called it a voluntary leave of absence that the board voted, but it really wasn’t involuntary at

Tim Melanson: it was involuntary.

Yosi Amram: but it was called a voluntary leave of absence. And, and you know, basically I was then pushed out of the company because I said, no, I’m not taking any time off. We gotta do these projects right now.

It’s once in a lifetime opportunity. And so then they, you know, then I resigned and they fired me. It was a huge drama and our stock price got cut in half. I was shunned, you know, I was canceled. Basically all I was this high flying CEO, and all of a sudden there were the [00:06:00] headline stories in the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal that Yoi is emotionally unstable and all this stuff, and people wouldn’t return my phone calls and emails and.

So that was a big trauma and a big loss. But again, you know, the thing is to be resilient and, and I, I stayed with it and, you know, then I kind of took care of myself, got my mood stabilized, and I started the selling company that I was able to take public. So my point is. I, I think the key is, is to have the grit, to have the resilience, to have the faith in ourself, to have the faith in life, uh, and, and get up and, and do it again.

And, uh, and if we have the perseverance and the, the faith in ourselves and the trust, then good things tend to happen. And so, um, I’m just trying to say that, but you know, fortunately since I moved to my [00:07:00] coaching practice working from home and psychotherapy prog, I don’t have the same pressures. That being a CEO and raising tens of millions of dollars from investors, which is why that pressure cooker burned me out and now I get to work from home with pe my clients and I, I get all the lessons I experienced and the, the difficulties are actually became part of my gifts.

That I can share with others because they’re facing similar pressures and I have been there in their shoes, and that makes me so much more valuable. But I get to do really meaningful work, help these people, leverage all the. Success and the pain that I’ve had into lessons to help others, uh, and do the work that I love to do, which is helping them awaken spiritual intelligence.

So these days I’m passionate about this idea of spiritual intelligence and, and I’m working with that and seeing how [00:08:00] it’s not some kind of esoteric woo idea, but it’s very practical, helping people get inspired and lead inspired lives. And so it’s very meaningful and. To me and to them, and we have a, a deep connection.

So I’m, even though I’m working from home, I don’t feel as lonely or isolated, which is, I think is one of the challenges. One of the things that I missed in leaving the corporate jobs is that you’re part of a, a team and you’re part of a community and you’re on working towards a common purpose. So I’ve had to kinda figure out how to do that in this role.

It’s been gratifying immensely. I’ve been doing it now for 20 years and you know, I just feel blessed. I have enough clients, more than I can handle. I have deep connection with ’em. I have a network of people that support me and on my team, so, yeah.

Tim Melanson: Wow. Well, I’m so [00:09:00] grateful that you share those bad notes because you know it is so funny how when I ask you for the good note. We hear this like truncated story, that just sounds like what, you know, you just kinda like fly into success and then when we try to dig into it, you find that, oh, it wasn’t like that.

Yosi Amram: It wasn’t, its smooth sailing on the way. No way.

Tim Melanson: Yeah. And I think that people like, but I, I think, I think what I want people to understand who are thinking about starting something or, or, or, you know, at the beginning parts of their journey is that. I know we can get kind of a little bit stuck about, oh, you know, I don’t wanna fail, or, I know there’s gonna be all these challenges that I’m gonna have to go through.

But I mean, let’s face it, we all have challenges no matter what your role is. I mean, if you’re working in a company right now that you, you know, you don’t feel connected to, you’re probably facing challenges in that company and you’re persevering and you’re working towards it, and you’re just solving these [00:10:00] problems as they come.

Well, isn’t that kind of what you have to do for yourself as well? Uh, okay, fine. They might get bigger and like you say, I mean being a CEO, having all these investors, like those are big level problems that what just about anybody, but what we’re talking about here and what you’re talking about now is that you’ve kind of. Have we gone down to the work from home? Now your problems are, these are this big, right? And I guess just depending on what you’re building and how big your business gets, the problems just get bigger. But you grow as you go, right?

Yosi Amram: Yeah, it even rhymes grow as you go. Like it, I like it grow and yeah, and, and that’s part of what we hear. There’s no, for me, there’s no just necessarily a final destination where I’ve made it and I’m, it’s like part of being human is like learning and growing and that’s the joy and, and we actualize our capacities.

That’s the most [00:11:00] fulfilling thing. So. You know, yeah. You have challenges at work. If you work in a corporate environment, in a job, it gives you a stable income and so on, and, and you’re on a health plan and all, it’s all great. Uh, you have your health insurance, et cetera. At least in the us I don’t know, in Canada may, you have national and all of that, but it’s not so, so simple here.

But then you, you go on your own and you have these challenges about. Making, making the, the income level you want and and so on. But you get to really. Choose your calling and actualize. Whereas if you’re working in an organization, you know, you’re not always both aligned with the product they’re building or the mission, and then maybe you’re not feeling like your unique creative talents are utilized and because you’re stuck in a job and you have to do this, this, and this.

And maybe only 10% of your job is really the things you love to do and are [00:12:00] your gifts, and are your purpose and your calling. Whereas you, if you decide to become an entrepreneur, an individual, you can say, okay, this is what I love to do. I’m, I’m really good. Let’s say I’m good at listening for people. And, um.

Very empathic, and I’m gonna become a therapist, and I’m gonna become a whatever. I’m gonna become a coach. Or, I really love beauty and, and, and graphics and I’m be a, a graphic designer, or I love programming and I, and I do programming from home for whatever. So there’s so many things nowadays we could do, uh, from our home office and, um, but we wanna choose the things that.

Really our, our unique gifts that we’re good at, because when we actualize those. That’s when we feel most, uh, engaged, most, uh, contributing. It’s like life gave us gifts. Each of us have our own gifts [00:13:00] that we’re born with, and life is kinda asking us, unwrap your gift. Use it. Like if someone gives you a birthday gift and you never unwrap it and leave it in the closet, they’re like.

Hey, Tim, I gave you this gift. What are you using it? And they’re like, oh no, it’s, it’s in the basement and I never opened it. So life gives us a gift and all these gifts and each person, some people are, have a great sense of humor. Other people are great programmers, whatever it is. And, uh, so we wanna use these gifts and we wanna, then we feel actualized, then we’re good at it.

Then we use it to contribute, which connects us to other people, and that’s what the Japanese art of Ike Gaia is when the reason for being, it’s this convergence between what we love to do, what we good at, what we enjoy, and what contributes to others. And when all these things line up and this Venn diagram, then life has great [00:14:00] meaning and great joy and great fulfillment.

Tim Melanson: I agree. So, okay. Now one thing though that I find is. Very common with anybody who decides to work for themselves is that they have to attract fans. They have to get people into the door, right? And you know, because everything that you just mentioned, you know, that specialized purpose, you know, the whatever it is that they really enjoy doing is great, but if they got no one to do it for, then you’re kind of stuck, right?

So everybody has to figure out how to get fans, and I’m wondering, what’s your strategy? How do you do it?

Yosi Amram: Well, I mean, I think you, you, you go for a community that you can relate to. So, you know, I came out of the world of being a tech, CEO, myself. And so I can relate to these people and so, you know, I build a, a very quick report and, and connection with them. It’s like I’ve been in your shoes. And so I could, I could, you know, help you And then, [00:15:00] and then, you know, these people network with each other and then they say, oh, I have this great coach, and then they tell this their friends, or I work with couples and, you know, uh, I help couples in their relationship.

And then once few of my, the couples really feel the relationship turned around. You know, they’re all talking to their friends and so many people have. Difficulties in their romantic relationships, their marriages, whatever. And they’re talking to their friends and women are talking to their women friends, and the guys are talking to their guy friends and like, yeah, you know, I’m having a problem in my relationship too.

And yeah. And oh, I had this great therapist who really helped us. So then they, they contact me. So it starts small. And you gotta start with your network, immediate network. And so I’m just using my thing about being a coach and a therapist, but you could be a, you know, a yoga studio [00:16:00] owner and you know, you can.

Uh, help other yoga studio owners, or you could be, you know, you, you decide, okay, I’m gonna be a home cook chef. And then you use your network of friends, like, who, who needs help? Uh, I’ll do some home cooking for you out of your own. First your own network and then you build it from there. But you know, you have to have the courage to, to think in who my Rolodex really knows.

And trust me, those are gonna be the first people that are gonna, uh, be willing to go with you because they know you and they know you’re cooking. They know they’ve been to your home and they’re like, oh, so and so makes great food now. Yeah, I’d love to have them once a week deliver. A thing that I could just warm up for three or four days and then those people tell their friends come over and like, oh, this is delicious soup.

You know? Oh yeah. I have this person that delivers once or twice a week. And so, but [00:17:00] you start small and you from your own network and then you build up from there.

Tim Melanson: Well, what happens when you run outta your network though?

Yosi Amram: Well, that’s the point. At that point you got, uh. Get referrals and, and if you’re good and you made the first people that came from your own network successful, then they have that network. And then you could do all kinds of marketing programs like incentivize them to, to referral people to you. You give ’em.

Something you refer a friend to to me, and I’ll give you this, that, or the other, and then you get the word you’re trying to get the, the word of mouth going the.

Tim Melanson: Yeah. Yeah. You’re, you’re just, you’re over-delivering and under promising. Right. And I, I, I think that, uh, I think that’s a really good way to, to handle it. I mean, when you’re. When you’re handling your, your, your friend’s, family and all that stuff, as long as you are supplying more than they would [00:18:00] expect, then of course they’re gonna tell someone about it.

And I think they’ll really, you know, for people that are thinking, oh, I don’t know. The thing to think about is that if it’s something that you feel called to do, if it’s something that you really love doing, like you say, I mean, if it’s in that, in that vendor diagram, you’re excited to do it. It’s not like, oh, you know, I spent so much time cooking that meal.

You know, you, you, you, that time just flies away ’cause you love doing it. Right. And, and if you love doing it and you’re, and, and you’re doing a really good job, then like you say, those first few people will start, you know, telling other people. Uh, now do you, do you like prompt them to tell other people about it?

Like, do you have some sort of like referral programs or?

Yosi Amram: Yeah, you early on you do that. I mean, early on I was definitely, you know, more actively marketing myself and, and going to events and you know, now we have social media. So let’s say just taking this stay with this analogy that. You, you [00:19:00] love to cook, then you know, you can post on Instagram or Facebook favorite recipes or dishes or, or photos of your dishes or whatever.

Uh, and, um, you know, then people start to share ’em and like, oh yeah, that, that was delicious. How do I make that, you know, whatever. So. I mean, but you have to, you have to do some work. No, no question about it. And you gotta, you gotta get out of a little bit of your comfort zone, perhaps, of just having a boss that tells you what to do.

But that’s, that’s, that’s the challenge. That’s the opportunity. You get to be your own boss and then you’re accountable to yourself. So, you know, you have to be self-motivated. Nobody’s gonna be, you know, um. Cracking the whip and saying, Hey, what are you doing? You’re just goofing off. No, no, but I mean, this is my business.

This is my livelihood. I [00:20:00] gotta, I gotta make a living at it. So then, then you gotta be self-motivated. You gotta be inspired. But as you said, if this is what you love to do and it’s meaningful to you and you make the leap, this is how I’m gonna make my livelihood, then you’re kinda. You gotta go for it.

Tim Melanson: I agree. I agree. Yeah. And, and, uh, and I do think that nowadays, especially like you say with social media, there, it is just, it’s so much simpler now to get that word out there than it, than it was, you know, 20 some years ago or 30 years ago. Now it’s a matter of, like, I, I, I really do feel like we’re in a situation where you can actually make it go, make it go of it with, with some hard work.

Maybe back then, you know, if you didn’t have the right connections or you didn’t have enough money to get started, you might have had some struggles and hard work isn’t just, might not have been enough. Uh, [00:21:00] I would argue that it always has been enough, but whatever, some people might think that it isn’t.

But now, especially, I mean, char, if you got, if you’ve got a passion for what is what it is you do and you love doing it, so it doesn’t matter how much time you’re spending doing it. You do a great job at it and you put the work in you, you, you start, you know, connecting with people on social media and all that stuff.

You can compete with just about anybody nowadays. Right?

Yosi Amram: Yeah, and I think it’s important to take the leap and, and, and even if it doesn’t quite work out, you can always go back and get a job, you know? But, but, but you know, you don’t, I don’t wanna wake up when I’m. You know, whatever, uh, 60, 70, 80, and feel like, oh, my life passed me by. And I never really took the risk and I always, uh, compromised and, and never really applied myself.

So I don’t know that, that to me is part of. Living an inspired life. And to me that’s part of what I’m talking about in awakening spiritual intelligence, [00:22:00] which is, you know, connecting to our spirit and our life force energy in, in its depth and rooting ourselves there. And from there, all these qualities.

Of, of purpose and service and, and gratitude and trust and compassion and forgiveness, you know, and, and humility and, and passion and, uh, devotion and start to wake up. And then we, we start to actualize these qualities in our lives. You know, we feel more fulfilled, more connected, uh, and more empowered and connected to ourselves and others.

And you know, that’s the amazing thing these qualities have been talked about as virtues for thousands of years across all the world’s traditions, regardless of if you’re talking Buddhism or Hinduism and Christianity, Islam, whatever. And putting aside those things as religion, you know, people are [00:23:00] looking for deeper meaning and spiritual fulfillment in their lives.

And now you have these modern fields of positive psychology and you know, people like Marty Seligman are looking not at psychology as like, how do I deal with mental illness and disease? But what? Leads to fulfilling quality life. And they’re identifying the same qualities of purpose and service and trust and humor and joy and gratitude and compassion and service and, uh, you know, interconnectedness.

Uh. So you got this field of positive psychology that’s highlighting the same qualities that have been talked about for thousands of years, uh, in spiritual intelligence. And then you got leadership development, leadership theory, and they’re looking at the same thing. We want leaders that. Have high sense of integrity.

They have a sense of purpose. They, they have a set of [00:24:00] values that align with us. And so the, they build a community of people around them that have a shared sense of values that, that like to work together. So, you know, to me that’s very exciting because we, we have modern science now validating what. You know, uh, the sages and the elders have been saying for thousands of years.

You know, find your purpose. Live a life of service. You know, trust yourself. Trust life, trust other people. Express gratitude, appreciation, live in integrity. Honestly. Uh, be humble. You know, these are the qualities and when we see it in other people, we’re naturally drawn to them.

Tim Melanson: Yep. Uh, I, I would say that that was one of the, one of the more surprising things that I discovered while doing this podcast. So I’ve spoken to so many people who are self-employed, work from home, and it is, it was surprising to me how many of them [00:25:00] are spiritual or have some sort of spiritual practice.

They, they meditate or, you know, they, they, they take care of themselves. It’s just, I, I, I guess I, you know, looking at it now, I, I get it. I mean, you’re, you’ve gotta drive yourself. You’re driving, you know, no one’s telling you what to do. You have to have your own motivation, and how do you do that? Right? Uh, but it’s just, I don’t know.

It, it, it just, it was interesting that I just interview after interview, you know, we’d be talking about stuff and then all of a sudden the spiritual aid would pop up. And you’d be like, okay. Especially when it comes, comes into business quite often here, and I don’t think that’s what we see on the movies when we think of like, you know, high powered businesses.

We don’t, I, I don’t think I’ve ever seen very many movies that show a spiritual, and if they do, it’s the crazy guy. Right?

Yosi Amram: Yeah. Well, very few people know, for example, that Steve Jobs, you know, who is this creative visionary. The one book he had always in his [00:26:00] iPad was the Autobiography of a Yoga. And he went on meditation retreats in India and whatever. So. And, and he speaks a lot about how he leveraged his intuition to, to get these insights or the founder of, of Southwest Airline who just comes from this tradition.

And, you know, his passion was to, to bring fun to work. And he made the whole airline and a brand. I don’t know if, particularly in the early days, if you flew Southwest, they were using humor and they were so different and they had the courage to be different. So you have to be inter directed to have the courage and you know, to, to, uh.

To express yourself and express your uniqueness and be authentic, and, and that’s kind of your life force coming through you and in, in the unique way that you are. Life has never made two [00:27:00] Tims, you know, 14 billion years into the history of the universe. There’s never been a team with these characteristics of, uh, as a human being, physiologically, your DNA, whatever.

Uh. And, you know, there’s never gonna be another one. So, uh, the courage to be our unique, authentic self and to express that in contribution, in connection to the web of life that we are a part of. So this is both kind of, this is the paradox of we have the courage to be our individual authentic, free self, but we don’t want to be so.

Independent that we’re disconnected from others and we’re feeling lonely, and that’s why. What sort of the spiritual thing is go inward, discover your unique thing, your life, force your spirit. Express it, but express it in a way that’s connected and keeps you [00:28:00] inter interdependent and connected, and then you feel like you’re a member.

Of, of this web of life, and you remember yourself, uh, you know, and both I’m, I’m using the word member in two senses to remember, remember who and what you are really in your essence, but you remember yourself into the web of life, and then you don’t feel lonely and isolated, uh, and, and, uh, disconnected from, from what’s going on.

And that’s, I think that’s. We wanna have it both way. We want, we wanna be our unique and our individual self in our autonomy, in our authenticity and freedom of expression. But we gotta find a way to, to do that within the context of belonging, uh, in a community and, uh, in a society. And because we are social beings and our survival depends on it, our psychology depends on [00:29:00] it.

So.

Tim Melanson: So now let’s talk about that, about belonging. Uh, let’s talk a little bit about the band. So who is it that you have around you, uh, in your, in your band?

Yosi Amram: Yeah. Well, I have, you know, I mean, doing the work I’m doing now, I, I mean, I wrote a book. I do these, uh, I host these monthly events. I have a website that, you know, people can go in and get a free assessment of their spiritual intelligence profile. So it’s much more than I could do on my own. But you know, somehow people, people that knew about my work that found resonance in it kinda connected with me.

And then, so I’ve got one person who’s like. A terrific tech lead and she manages the website and all of that. I have someone who else, who is an editor who helped me edit the book and now helping me, uh, churn out, you know, these, uh, blogs every month on Psychology Today. You know, which is a, [00:30:00] a top branded, uh, publication in the field of psychology.

And I couldn’t do all these things on, on my own. I have somebody else that manages the development team in Portugal, uh, for me, for, uh, and so, so I have this, this, you know, there’s three other people on my team working, and we’re all aligned, we’re all excited, and, uh. So, you know, but we each have our freedom.

People are working from home. As I said. One person, uh, is in, based in Portugal managing the development team there. One person is in northern California in, uh, mill Valley, and then my editor is in, uh, New York. So, you know, we’re, um, we’re spread all over the world. And then I recruited. And I certify other coaches.

So I have about eight certified spiritual intelligence coaches. And again, I have people all [00:31:00] over the world that somehow were interested in this idea and want to bring it in their coaching practice. And so I have someone in Turkey, I have some, someone in Luxembourg, uh, you know, uh, uh, and then several people across the us um, that are.

You know, um, part of this network of coaches that are using spiritual intelligence as the framework for their coaching. So they’re helping people to awaken their spiritual intelligence and express it so, you know. Some of the people may wanna listening to this. If you want to coach to help you, you know, go to our website inte, see and find one of the coaches.

If they resonate for you, they might be helpful to you. So anyway, but that’s part of my network of people that are helping bring this to the world that I can’t just do on [00:32:00] my own.

Tim Melanson: Wow. Love that. Well, you’ll see. Okay. Let’s move into your, into your, uh, guest though then. So tell me what’s exciting in your business right now.

Yosi Amram: Well, I, I was actually already telling you, which is that, uh, you know, we’re, I, I feel that, you know, both as individual as in a society, we’re, we’re in a critical juncture. You know, when you think about it, everybody knows about. Iq, right? Intelligence is super important. Our intellectual intelligence, cognitive intelligence, et cetera, uh, where we draw on our intellectual resources, whether it’s mathematical reasoning or comprehension or, you know, spatial reasoning, et cetera.

And as humanity, it’s gotten us to the moon. We split the atom, the, we’ve decipher the genome, now we’ve built ai. Smarter than many of us. And then we, we have in the last 30 years or so, [00:33:00] it’s gotten into the zeitgeist, this idea of emotional intelligence that we can use not only our intellectual resources, but we can use our emotions as resources and tap into them and get in touch with them and draw on emotional information.

And that helps us. Uh, but now. But somehow even despite all of that, we have our iq. We have our eq. But you look at the world, it’s a big mess right now. You know, anxiety, depression rates, uh, addiction rates, suicide rates are soaring. Uh, we have political polarization. We’ve got all these problems. We have wars.

And so, uh, I think the, the real answer is that we need to help understand and awaken spiritual intelligence, which, uh, you know. Understands our, in both our uniqueness and our interdependence like we’re talking about, that helps [00:34:00] people actualize themselves individually, but also embeds them into a community and a sense of belonging.

And, uh, we start to. Wake up from this delusion of separation that, that we are all interdependent. And, uh, so to me that’s very exciting and that’s the work I’m trying to bring into the world. And I’ve got this team of people that I mentioned, these coaches, other people through my writing, through the book, through the blogs, the coaching I do with CEOs, and then they bring these things into their organizations at the top, and then it ripples out through there.

Thing. And then the work I’m doing with couples that want conscious, you know, relationship, uh, and not just meet their basic human needs, uh, which we obviously need from a companion and partner, but to have a higher purpose for the relationship itself is a practice ground for healing and, and growth. And the [00:35:00] relationship itself is a spiritual practice.

So to me it’s all very exciting and, and I feel like I’m. Contributing, um, into what what is needed in the world, and the people I’m working with are finding great benefits from it. So that’s actualizing my potential, leveraging my experience, both my successes and my failures, all the lessons that I’ve learned that now I can help others with.

And that’s very fulfilling.

Tim Melanson: Wow. Wow. I’m very excited about what you’re doing too. I think it’s very important. I, I, I mean, I think that some of the things that we used to talk about is just intuition, right? We used to think, oh, you know, I, I have this gut feeling about this direction or that direction, and, you know, we don’t, we don’t give it as much weight as we should kind of think sometimes.

Uh, some, I think there is a movement towards that. Now. I, I think you’re on the cutting edge of something that I [00:36:00] hope is gonna spread a lot more.

Yosi Amram: Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Intuition is certainly part of spiritual intelligence, but you know, our intuition. Awakens. You know, we have to do all the cognitive analysis and this and that, but then we let go of the thoughts and then something deeper, a higher voice or something, a higher self knows sometimes things that we can’t figure out through our thinking mind.

And that’s not to say that we don’t need to do all the analysis and the thought, but there’s something else that gives us our. Our unique power and access to these insights that, um, we, we can’t get otherwise.

Tim Melanson: Yeah, and I mean, I think what I find interesting though is that, uh, there are. A lot of people that will say, I, I had a, you know, a gut feeling that this was a bad idea, but my brain told me to do it, and it ends up being a bad idea. Right. [00:37:00] Uh, or vice versa. You know, I, you know, I, I had this gut feeling that this was a good idea, but my brain couldn’t let me do it.

And those are the things that you just haunt you forever. Right. And I, I do think that you’re right. There’s gotta be some sort of like, connection between the two of ’em. I mean, yeah. Use your brain. But don’t discount that gut feeling. Right. There’s something going on there. Right. Connect with it.

Yosi Amram: Yeah, exactly.

Tim Melanson: So how do we find out more?

Yosi Amram: Well, people can connect to, to me, uh, I mean just go to awakeningspiritualintelligence.org. Uh, it’s one word, uh, it’s a nonprofit and it will link you to all my resources or you can go to Awakening SI for short. Instead of spelling out spiritual intelligence, just the abbreviation of si. I have a YouTube channel.

Awakening spiritual intelligence and there’s a bunch of resources and videos and [00:38:00] and stuff there. And from there you can connect to this website that I mentioned, inte, where you can do free assessments of your spiritual intelligence profile and. And, uh, you know, I have my coaching website. I’ve got my psychotherapy website, but you know, uh, you can all find it all.

If you go to awakening spiritual intelligence.org and navigate from there, you’ll find me.

Tim Melanson: Awesome. All right, I got one more last question here. Who’s your favorite rockstar?

Yosi Amram: My favorite rockstar. Oh my God. Um, well, my teenage rockstar was Jim Morrison.

Tim Melanson: Yeah. Yeah.

Yosi Amram: um, these days, um, these days, you know, I. I like, um, I like, uh, sting, uh, I like sting these days. Um, but yeah, there’s so many [00:39:00] good ones. It’s just like, you know, depending on my mood. Uh, so, um,

Tim Melanson: Awesome. Well good for you for picking a couple ’cause I don’t even know what I would say.

Yosi Amram: okay. All right. I was gonna ask you, so who are yours?

Tim Melanson: The Beatles are my, uh, number one, number one,

Yosi Amram: Well, yeah, that’s a classic. That, that’s a classic Uhhuh. Yeah. Well, of course

Tim Melanson: still today

Yosi Amram: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I thought The Beatles, but I thought, okay, that’s a little too, too, uh, whatever.

Tim Melanson: it’s obvious. Actually, I think I’m wearing a Beatles shirt right now.

Yosi Amram: Oh, awesome. Which, what, which, uh, what, what does it say on it? Can’t buy me love.

Tim Melanson: bother me. Love. Yeah. That’s some of their early work. But I liked it all. I, it was, uh, when I was learning. Play guitar. It was, it was actually the Beatles that I was learning on for the most part. And, uh, they just say, [00:40:00] learn their catalog and you’ll learn just about anything.

They, they just, they just did it all.

Yosi Amram: Yeah, well they’re clearly musical geniuses and they tapped into something. But it’s interesting, you know, when you listen to music, you don’t necessarily realize it, but a lot of their music is actually grounded in spirituality and you know, a lot of their. Later stuff became more and more explicit, you know, um, my sweet Lord and whatever.

Um, all, all you need is love and.

Tim Melanson: yeah. No, it’s true. And, and uh, and there are actually some instances of, of some of the Beatles and, and plenty of musicians out there that just say, it just came to me, just came to me in a dream. Or, you know, just some sort of like, you know, very, very, uh. Spiritual guess like, like the, the whole thing. Like some of them will even say the whole music.

Everything just came to be in a dream, like

Yosi Amram: Well, that’s what [00:41:00] Mozart, Mozart also speaks about. Like all, uh, he says, when I’m relaxing in good cheer, I, I don’t know where this music is coming from. I’m just kind of a channel. So it’s not like our egoic efforts that produce that creativity. It’s like we quiet our mind out, call it intuition, call it inside calling download.

But it’s in music. It’s also in, in science. A lot of the great scientific breakthroughs are, you know, they wake up in the morning or in the middle of the night, they, oh, the benzene, you know, molecule and, and whatever. It’s just like. It wasn’t through some kind of algorithm, they figured it out.

Tim Melanson: Love it. This has been so cool. Thank you for rocking out with me today. Yosi. It’s been a lot of fun.

Yosi Amram: Yeah. It’s fun to, to jam with you, Tim.

Tim Melanson: Absolutely. And to the listeners, make sure you go to workathomerockstar.com for more information and we’ll see you next time .