Creating Art In Awareness With Michaell Magrutsche

Tim Melanson: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to today’s episode of the Work at Home Rockstar podcast.

Excited to be speaking with another musician today. Uh, so he’s a creativity and awareness educator, artist, author, speaker, and he helps people to become aware of their superpowers and give them another perspective of their situation. Very excited to be rocking out today with Michael Magrutsche. Michael, you ready to rock?

I’m ready.

Michaell Magrutsche: I’m ready. I’m a rocker. I’m r rocking. Like, no, no way. Before. I’m . I’m super rocking. Perfect.

Tim Melanson: So we always start off here on a good note. So tell me a story of success in your business that we can be

Michaell Magrutsche: inspired by. I hit the wall till I was 55. Let’s start there. And, uh, uh, up from sit 55 on, I feel like 60%, 70% my life is.

Nothing has changed. Nothing has changed, but my life feels easier because I became aware. Yep, yep.

Tim Melanson: Because you became aware. Yeah. Yeah. So you struggled for quite a while

Michaell Magrutsche: then, then. Yeah. Yep. Hit the wall from, since [00:01:00] a child I was sick, child, went to school, got found out, I’m dyslexic and dysgraphic and basically art was the only thing that actually, uh, made me survive lit.

Literally made me feel like a human being. and made me feel inclusive and, you know, we all have that, that d n a drive to be inclusive, to be part of it. Mm-hmm. . And it does it obviously for a lot of other lessons. But, but for me it was extremely, uh, helpful, uh, creating art. Uh, and uh, and it helped me. It was my, it was my, literally my savior, uh, creating art was my savior.

Yeah.

Tim Melanson: So what is it that

made

Michaell Magrutsche: you become aware? Uh, I. I was worried so much because art got me through my whole life and I could not handle the fact that 97% of artists are on the poverty level around the world. And I just couldn’t, [00:02:00] I couldn’t comprehend that. I said, why is that? When it gives us heaven on earth?

You know, art gives us heaven on earth music, you know, it just, how can that. And I dove in and I said, I’m gonna write my fifth book about, and it’s called Smart of Art. And I wrote that book and I dove into it. I dove really deep into it. I said, I’m gonna figure this out. I don’t care what. And then I, I realized, uh, what we consider as the art business or the art world is actually an art.

It’s a system like anything else, and it’s all about the art product, the music, the painting, the poet, the, the, the theater piece, the movie. It’s never about the, the creation process. Nobody gives a crap about the creation process, but for human potential. Becau, and I was aware of. Oh, [00:03:00] because I have no education.

Everything is self-taught because I couldn’t fit into system with meta dyslexia and all that stuff. And when you milk the creation, this is when you, when you really find the abundance, when you find the worth, when you find your own words. and I found out, I told you till 50 55, I realized that by writing the book, uh, it was kind of therapeutic to write the book.

I, I found out, ah, you need to compartmentalize every artist because I know so many artists. I said, you need to compartmentalize the two things, the product and the creation process. Hu hu in the human system. The creation process is priceless. It gives you. And you know that, you know, you, you think you can’t do it of a sudden you can.

Yeah. I mean, I mean, where, in what other job that happens other than you [00:04:00] hit the wall, hit the wall, and finally get it halfway. Okay. And everybody else is better. You know, it’s just in, in the, in the creation process. You just flourish. You just, and, and you can’t believe it. Then, uh, when you create art and then listen to the music, Four years later, you said, oh my God, that wasn’t that bad.

Right? Because you judge it while you are, you compare yourself with the Beatles and with everybody else. Yep. But, but when you then take it out of context five years later and you listen to that and say, oh my God, that was really good. I couldn’t believe I did it right. Sometimes you have forgotten that you created.

And then you look at it like with really fresh eyes and you say, oh my God, that’s not good. It’s not bad. I, I see that by my music and by, but everything I created literally in the moment right now, I wouldn’t think that’s that good. But like in four years or so, three years, [00:05:00] I would say, oh my God, that was great.

I can’t even, because you can’t remember that you just did it. You know? And you look at it from outside the perspective, not. Oh, I’m a, and you know, I’m horrible. I’m not good enough. I’m everybody’s better than me. And I think when you, when you separate the two of our creation, this is my, my tip for every artist separate the two, the, the process of creation and the, and and the art.

Because the process of creation we have, even with your podcast, you have an inspiration that triggers you somehow on the soul level, on the. Uh, passion level and out of this, you start a conversation with your nonphysical and you, you, you’re going back and say, okay, what, what, what core progression? What would it do?

Or, or, you know, and so you, you, you start that conversation with your nonphysical and it goes back and forth and then you sleep over it, you come back [00:06:00] and it adds to it or whatever. What happens, what the product is, your piece of music or your sculpture or your painting is basically the physical manifestation of that conversation.

And the more you’re clearer you are with, uh, in communicate, the more you communicate with your non-physical, the clearer the conversation becomes and the ease it is for other people to recognize the product. So that’s why you. , it’s like it’s a skill. You know, you, you keep communicating back and forth and all of a sudden you are, you’re clearer.

And other people understand. Since we are all interconnected, and once the artist understands that, then it doesn’t feel poor. It’s now, when you look just at the product, it’s about how much money do I need to survive? How much money do I need to, uh, does that bring me that money that I can pay my, my rent?

[00:07:00] You know? You know from the art, you know, from the art business, you sell something for, for exactly a painting for 40 grand. Half of it gets the gallery, then you have 20 grand. How long can you live of? 20 grand? See, you need to have to sell, keep selling every month, 20 grand or every, every five months, 20 grand to survive.

And so you, we lie to each other, all the artists because we said, oh, I sold 20 grand, I sold 40 grand, whatever. But because we are feeling so bad that we don’t make money, we feel the magic of creation of that interaction, which is so unbelievable. Which that’s why we, we are doing it for no money. Right? Um, and that’s, uh, and I was always thinking, oh, it’s the systems.

Don’t appreciate it, uh, uh, artists, but it’s basically the reason why we have never defined our [00:08:00] values And, and what I did in, in the Smart of Art, I, I started to define the functions of art creation, not just the, I I’m not even focusing on the, on the product. I’m not saying, okay, that’s a paqua, that’s a, uh, you know, smashing pumpkins that is this, this, this.

No, I’m, I’m, I’m concentrating on the creation, but because I think the, the, when you go to a plumber and you say, why am I paying you $5,000? The plumber says, pipes, uh, work and whatever, cables and whatever I need to, uh, to install it. When you go to an artist and ask, how, why am I paying you 10 grand for that or five grand?

And what happens is, . It’s, um, they say, oh, I got, I, I got nominated for Grammy. I got, uh, [00:09:00] I, I was, you know, I sold my last song for this total non-sequitur, completely worthless. We cannot express why our creations, uh, have any value. Our systems, our humanity has never, di has never defined art. I mean, look at Michelangelo.

Look at, look at Mozart. Mozart came and played for the Duke, uh, uh, you know, the Duke here heard him and said, Hey, live in my, one of my 500 rooms. I feed you, I give you money, I give you a stipend. And the guy was happy and then went to the next, next, uh, king or Duke or whatever. . And the same is Michelangelo, right?

He worked for the church. It’s just, it’s just neither systems like the church or a Duke or a city or whatever nor the artists have ever defined it. It was always by patronage and goodwill. And the [00:10:00] problem with that is that we have never looked for any value. We just thought, okay, we, we saw those, those super artists, because a lot of people are artists.

Made that money. And so it’s possible for you. Yeah, it is possible, but you gotta, you know, there’s also only one I Musk and one Jeff Bezos. You know, there’s when, when you look at the top, you know, and you cannot reference you. It’s basically saying it’s possible, but that doesn’t mean everyone. Will achieve it or will can do it because there’s other, it’s not your talent.

There’s very talented artists and musicians. They’re long dead and they’re perhaps discovered and they just fall, by the way, set, because it’s not, and not everything aligns with it. Yeah. Uh,

Tim Melanson: yeah. I think that, I think that, uh, I think that part of the reason why is because with art, as you said, art

Michaell Magrutsche: mm-hmm.

the creation of art itself. , like the [00:11:00] playing of the

Tim Melanson: music Yeah. Is its own reward to us. Exactly. Yeah. Right. We, we are actually getting value from doing it and so mm-hmm. , I think that that, that it’s one of those things where it’s not that necessarily that other people don’t appreciate us. Yeah. It’s that there are so many people that’ll do it for nothing.

That, why would I

pay

Michaell Magrutsche: you , right? Yeah. Because we have not defined it. Because if we, and that’s what I wanted to change. I said that’s why I wanted to change the definition of the function of creating art, not about the product. Be the product is basically nothing o other than an evaluation. That is laid back in the art history.

You know, they say, okay, Beatles did this what you need you to do. So it’s basically just a comparison. It’s not saying about a product that’s already here. That’s why art is also very limited. Art could be, as you know, could be way more fulfilling and way wider, but [00:12:00] everybody keeps on the success path of.

What product has sold before or what products people assume to, to be selling, not how awesome can I create my piece of art with you right now? Like I’m doing right now. I, I’m focusing right now on making the best episode, not on how many people I’m gonna get or whatever, because they’re, they’re the, the, I’m milking the moment.

I’m milking the creation moment with you. Yeah. And that’s, and that’s so fulfilling. And that’s fulfillment is. in the human form. So artists could be much more fulfilled. Would they milk the moment and saying, okay, that’s really my human or spiritual enlightenment. The creation. Yeah. Instead of focusing on the product, because that pulls them away from what they would create if they wouldn’t have any guidelines.

Because art, as you know, doesn’t ask [00:13:00] anything other than. to be created. Mm-hmm. , it doesn’t ask for how many people, uh, need to see it. Whatever you need to create it and unveil it to one person is okay. Just create it and unveil it. That’s all our art asks. Yeah. And, and in that process, you, you grow tremendously.

Tim Melanson: Yeah. You know what I’ve noticed too is like when you speak with, uh, with different people in, in, in every, any other type of business, especially a creative type business. Yeah. Uh, you do see that same type of like devaluing of their own services. Mm-hmm. . and it’s totally proportional to how much they love it, right?

Yeah. I mean, if, if you really love what you’re doing, like if you’re a, whatever you are, you’re a writer, or maybe you are a, a plumber, but, and you really love, you, really love your job, you tend to devalue it because now all of a sudden you’re like, oh, but you know, I really like what I’m doing, so you know, maybe I’ll give you a discount.

Right? Yeah. And maybe I’ll do it for free, or maybe I’ll just help you. [00:14:00] And, uh, what do you think about that though? Like, do you feel like we should be just doing it for free if we love it,

Michaell Magrutsche: or, or what? I, I think, no, we should be departmentalizing why we actually live on the poverty level. First of all, we need to be aware.

That. The reason why, and we are unconscious about this because we are always widening that we don’t have money. So we need to say, Hey, the reason that we even can exist on the poverty level is because of art. Because if we would do some accounting, nobody would exist on the poverty level for accounting.

Yeah. So, and you need to, and therefore you see instant devalue in it because you said, listen. As shitty as it is physically that I support, uh, pay my gas or whatever the fulfillment I get, the human [00:15:00] success, right? Not the success in the system. The human success is fulfilling. It’s the fulfillment. When I get the fulfillment, I can exist as a human.

If you get, uh, if you, if you chase the success in the system. You get away from humanity. You’re not the animal anymore. They’re, they’re the part of nature. You become the automaton that has to get the first quarter and then make money for the second quarter, and then you, you, you have these goals. They totally stress you out.

Said, can I reach the, the second quarter like I did the first. I mean, even if you’re successful, you have, so it’s in the system. If you’re in the system, if you see that’s your. , which is wrong. Nature is your habitat. Music, nature. Yeah. You know, other humans. But if you see your habitat in systems, you are [00:16:00] stressed.

You are pulled away from what is essentially important. And that’s why it’s also a, it’s also. My music is, you know, music is inherent in us. Uh, poetry is all inherent in us. That’s not like something we in freaking invented, you know, it just, you know, you start a beat, you hear a beat, you hear the, the nature a beat.

You start beating with it. You hear a birding and all of a sudden, oh my God, look at this, how this sounds. Uh, uh, it, it, you hear water. That’s music. It’s. , it’s the contrast to to, to, to silence is, is music. You know, if you have, you have the silence and you have the, the music and overlay and, and, and it’s just, it’s just, I mean, once you get into it, it’s just, And milk that experience.

You are just, wow. Listen, just to the silence, the, you know, the syncopation of, of beads, uh, you know, the space to, to [00:17:00] work with space and time. Oh my God. I mean, it’s just the world is opening up and it becomes like heaven, a earth. And that’s why I say art is the. The tool to experience heaven on Earth.

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Tim Melanson: I agree. So now when we talk about, about, you know, cash flow and, and making sure that you’re actually not living, living poor. Yep. I mean, I, I think that you mentioned something really interesting earlier when, uh, we were talking about, I think it was Mozart, where somebody saw the value Yeah. In, in, in what Mozart was doing and said, you know, , let me just cover your stuff,

Exactly, because I, I think that that’s the thing is that if you are worried about paying your rent, if you’re worried about eating Yeah.

Michaell Magrutsche: Mm-hmm. ,

Tim Melanson: then how can you really create the art that you’re supposed to be creating if you’re worried about the next bill? Yeah. Right. I think it wouldn’t, it wouldn’t it con, wouldn’t it, wouldn’t it compete with , [00:19:00] with the, with the connection?

Like, so if,

Michaell Magrutsche: if you were, I. It could compete. If you give that man construct, uh, any value, you know, if you, if you, I mean, this is what the world does right now. I mean, it gives to our construct because in the system, future is important because you have to make more. The only thing is to make more, better, cheaper, faster.

Right. That is, That is the trajectory of, of systems. Yes. Because every system works on financial principles. So whenever you are in a system, religion, state, government, uh, uh, companies, uh, multinational banks, whatever, you have to go by that. And sadly, that has become our environment, not nature. And, and we are, we are losing ourselves in.

Yeah. And, and, and, and I think our biggest enemy, which, which I’ve [00:20:00] realized the only was 55 or 50 55, I realized that is the worry about the future. The worry about the past. And basically you’re never, for the last half year, uh, a couple of years, I don’t feel like, oh, we have December right now. Right. I, I didn’t feel like, oh my God, it just started.

I don’t have that feeling. I’m now a year older. I don’t have that feeling anymore. It’s completely gone because I’m not what this age means in like, what does 55 mean in, in soci in the system? You’re old, you’re ready to retire. I don’t think about that ever. I, I I anymore. Because you, you only have the moment and everything else is a man construct.

And if you, in the moment, And what keeps you in the moment, what keeps you in that, in that, that’s why I’m thinking art is the superpower. Number one superpower is [00:21:00] creation. And I know you, you know, your mind wants to pull you away, but if you cannot, if you and I say, okay, let’s do a, a piece of music right now, we can’t think while we doing that.

We can’t think about, oh, I have to pay bills. If you wanna be here right now, you can’t think about that. You have to pay rent tomorrow. You have to, you know, uh, you can’t think about it because that interview will be right out the window. Yep. So when you create, it forces you to be in your natural habit habitat of a human being.

Of the present being. Yeah. Being means present, not doing, not worrying, not not trying to fix the future. You’re not in the future, and life is uncertain. Life is by exi, by by, by default, uncertain, but it system says. It should be always sunny every day. If not, we sell you a Ferrari, a pill, or a face job. I always say those, you know?

Yeah. And if you’re not [00:22:00] happy, let’s say you and I buy that Ferrari and the pill and the face job, then you and I are ashamed and saying there’s something inherently wrong with you guys because, or it says, Hey. Tim, you are happy, but I’m not, so there’s something wrong with me because system says you’re buying all those things.

You’re doing all the courses, you’re doing all this, you’re getting all, you do all this stuff and you’re not happy. There must be inherently something wrong with you. . Yeah. And that’s, that’s, that’s, that’s the whole thing. And, and art keeps us balanced. It keeps us in that being, because I couldn’t fit in.

There was something inherently, they, they’re not diagnosed 50 years ago. They didn’t diagnose that, but they said, okay, you are dyslexic, but basically you can’t. keep school and you still keep school till I failed three classes. You know, I couldn’t, I couldn’t comprehend it. I couldn’t regurgitate. I could comprehend it, but not regurgitate it.

And, [00:23:00] uh, and so I think, uh, I think, uh, I tell every, every, every artist I said, it is so valuable that you’re an artist and that you have a leaning towards that and that. Tinker with it and there’s no quality in it. You create what you create. Art doesn’t ask you to be a good creator and to, to know really fast beats and, and, and be super skilled drama or whatever it says Create, just create and expose.

Yeah. And having that, you need to protect it and you need to protect it with getting a job in the system. That is, that is no. other than you need to get a job that, you know, if you wanna be all about music, then going to Guitar Center to, you know, go, go, go. Where you can halfway be in the same, in a music, music, [00:24:00] uh, promotion company or concert company or something that is related to the what you do.

but you gotta get a job. You gotta get, because it’s so valuable that you keep doing what you’re doing and not be forced to sell it. And I think that’s, that’s the answer, you know, with the money making, you cannot be forced to create something. Art doesn’t work like that. Art, the energy of art, as you know, does not work with, you gotta create something that.

It is selling is not with art. It doesn’t go with art. That’s why you see, oh my God, I’m only get famous when, once I’m dead. No, that’s just, it’s just the world wasn’t ready for that yet. It’s just, eh, you know, it, it just, art doesn’t go by system. It doesn’t, and as much as you will try and, and Rick Rubin says the same thing.

He says, you know, you gotta create, you’ve gotta be in the. [00:25:00] And, and it works and it doesn’t work. It doesn’t matter if it works or not, because the, you milking the, the, the creation process that should be making you feel abundant. And guess what? When you feel abundant, life is way easier. That told you my, my, my life is, uh, because I’m fulfilled.

It’s 60 to 7% easier. My life, literally from literally in within a year, it became 60, 70 because I got, once you get that, then get the next one comes, the next one and the next one you say, wow. And it becomes experiential, the fulfillment. Wow. So do

Tim Melanson: you, do you, uh, like where did you learn all this? Did you hire coaches or, so where did you, where did you get all this information?

How do you.

Michaell Magrutsche: From art creation, literally from writing down, what happens when I do this? What did I just learn from? And then ask my question. Ask my question. I said, [00:26:00] so why, uh, art is poor? And that, and first obviously your mind says, okay, because the system doesn’t respect art. And this was a long theory of mine that the system doesn’t respect our.

Which it doesn’t because this, because art doesn’t work with money. It doesn’t, it is, it’s contrary to making money and so, so it’s not the arting, it’s our awareness. If humans are aware how pressure precious art is, we would all. Appreciate it much more. We would actually put our kids into art school rather than learning anything else.

Because, you know, when kids go to school, there are 99% of kids are so super talented. They can do a, a task or skill like nobody else. 99% at the end of the. , only 3% are, uh, are talented. Are, are, are this the, the, the exceptional [00:27:00] ones? Yeah. So from 99 of exceptional gets down to 3% exceptional. Yeah. And that, and, and, and art nurtures that the more art you do, the more you become.

That’s what I’m saying. I learned that from really diving into the creation process. Once I got, uh, This is just a product we, we assume and the advertising of art, is it something special? It is because it moves us. Art moves us like no advertising can. And we and, and we. Yes. But it is, it is handled as a product and once you are creative, you understand it.

It’s handled like a product. and people, what they do, because it’s handled like a product, they destroy the creation process. They ignore the, uh, the, the creation process and destroy it. They deny [00:28:00] themselves by copying patterns that work, and they destroy themselves by, by feeling they’re never good enough.

Yeah. And arts doesn’t say you are good enough or bad. It never, it’s not an issue. Well,

Tim Melanson: I think that that’s the, I, I think, I think that’s the issue is that, um, because there is art that has value, that’s for sure. There is art that, uh, there are songs that sell , right? Yeah. There is art that sells. Like, so there absolutely is art, and, and I think that the, I think what you’re saying is that art itself, it has nothing to do with that.

I mean, you can, you. Paint a couple. Yeah. You know, abstract paintings that will never sell to anybody. But that was, that was something that came outta you and that created value for you. Exactly. So there’s that part of it. The creation of it is, is value on its own. And then sometimes some of that art relates and Yeah.

It, it moves other [00:29:00] people. Mm-hmm. around you. that art there will sell or can sell. Yeah. Because it creates some sort of value in someone else. Mm-hmm. . But, but you don’t know that if, if you’re truly focusing on just the art, you don’t know that when you’re creating it.

Michaell Magrutsche: Nobody knows it. Creating it . Right.

Nobody knows it. If you tell Jay-Z, uh, get me, uh, a product, a song, and make this work. If that was the. Every song of Jay-Z that he brings out would be a, a bestseller. Yep. It’s not, you don’t know. And it could be not in his favorite songs of, as your musician, you know, that not your favorite songs hit the, hit the Spectrum, the white spectrum in the system that people deem as, oh my God, it’s the greatest song.

And you say, oh God, I just ca kicked that out in 15 minutes and I. I like it, but it’s not crazy. I’m not crazy about it. My, my paintings, I have [00:30:00] paintings that I thought, oh my God, I love this painting. Nobody looked at, I thought, if I post that painting, I’m gonna have thousands likes and whatever. Yeah. And guess what?

I tested what I just tell you. How, how, you know, if you, if you try to look through art, through the system. I did try the graphics program early, the graphics prog program. I just did dots and colored them and I put that up and I got just to say, just to fuck with it, you know? I just said, and I got unbelievable likes for that and I, nothing I did, I just did ellipses and, and painted the and, and Phil them with, I try to literally a trial of a graphics program.

and it got all the likes. Mm-hmm. And the stuff that I created where I thought, oh my God, I love this. It’s so fulfilling the creation process of this, how it dis how it developed and how it [00:31:00] got to nothing. Not not, and like, and, and, and that’s how you, we look wrong at art artists like nature. It’s like, it’s like in nature.

You exist, your existence. Is the evidence that you’re valuable because otherwise you wouldn’t exa exist in nature. There’s no mistakes and, and art brings us always to nature, to our essence. Every art. So that’s why you go to an opening, art opening, and there’s every gender, every race, every sexuality, uh, rich and poor.

There’s every part of th and they mingle and then they don’t even look at their. . They just, it is so magical. It’s a ritualistic thing, art that brings humanity always together. That’s why I say it’s, it’s the superpower of, of all humans. It’s the highest form of creation. Because if you say, I’m gonna create a podcast, you already, uh, limited your, uh, [00:32:00] creation because you, you, you focus on, you have a focus on what you use your creativity for.

Mm-hmm. . But art is creation out of nothing. You create a song, there’s nothing. And you create a song and you create a painting and you create a poem and you create a theater piece out of nothing. And that’s why that is the highest form of creation.

Tim Melanson: Love it. So speaking of superpowers, I tell me a little bit, it’s time for your guest solo.

So tell me a little bit about your business and, uh, what you’re excited about.

Michaell Magrutsche: I am really excited about podcast. Because I did 130 interviews all over the world because people wanna talk about this. Mm-hmm. , and I am about awareness. I, I am, uh, you know, I always was a cre uh, creativity, uh, educator about the creativity of the, the process of, of, of doing it.

But I am now using the creativity. [00:33:00] To explain awareness because when people listen to this podcast, especially artists, they will be aware and just the awareness. There’s no three steps. There is no, you gotta do this course with, you know, Tim or Michael and then you get it. You just need to listen to this and bad this.

You will create better work, you will be balanced, you will not be so worried. I mean, the worry, if you wanna worry, you can always worry. You can turn it on and turn it off, but you will really milk the moment of creation. And that awareness alone is worth unbelievable because it, it fosters your fulfillment.

And always know that fulfillment is the human success. E everybody chases the f fulfillment. If you wanna get a billionaire, uh, Ferrari, whatever you want to. Wanna work out and have a God beautiful body. It’s all the fulfillment that it [00:34:00] gives you. It’s nothing because ultimately, and the fulfillment makes happy, the fulfillment needs to be first because you can’t be happy without being fulfilled.

The fulfillment of this, this is right. This is humanly right. And then, and, and, and that’s, art is the best thing to what’s humanly right. It’s, it’s the best conductor, it’s the best tool to use what’s humanly right. You know? Right on. So

Tim Melanson: how do we find out more about you then and follow you? Your podcast in your

Michaell Magrutsche: eyes?

You just go, you just go. Uh, michael m.com. Michael with two ls. Michael, m i c h a e l l m.com. And. And all my social and LinkedIn and, uh, everything is there and, uh, love it.

Tim Melanson: Love it. Well, this is a great conversation. Thank you much for rocking out with me today, Michael.

Michaell Magrutsche: Thank you so much for letting me rock, giving me cameras to rock.

Okay.

Tim Melanson: to the listeners, make sure to subscribe right in comment. [00:35:00] We’ll see you next time with the Working Home Rock Star

Michaell Magrutsche: podcast. Thank you. Thanks for listening. To learn how you can become a work at home rockstar or become a better one, head on over to workathomerockstar.com today.